Milk in the Closet



The Dilemma of the “Mega-Church” ~ Part III

I suppose I should sum this up.

I have been thinking about this all week and have read some really interesting posts here and, in light of the Uganda blogger trip, here.  You can find tons of discussion about the church everywhere in the blogosphere.  But here’s my conclusion.

It’s all about Jesus.  Or rather, it should be all about Jesus.

I don’t necessarily want to focus so much on the church we visited and what I wrote about in my last post about this subject.  I’m sure there are really great things going on there.  The children’s wing was awesome and I think it’s FABULOUS that they offer valet parking for single moms.  But let’s keep the main thing the main thing.  It’s about having a relationship with Jesus Christ and living a life of obedience to Him.  Whether you have a church the size of a small city or you have a church that could fit in my living room, if people are being taught and discipled to have a dynamic relationship with Jesus Christ, then who am I to say you are doing it the wrong way?  While I may disagree with having an “entertainment” mentality and the way in which financial resources are spent, I understand why some churches are the way they are.  And while there are flaws in all churches everywhere, that doesn’t mean they aren’t being led of God.   A wise friend told me just this week – there really is no formula.  But there is the Holy Spirit.  If a church is being led of the Holy Spirit, I have to trust that His work is being done. 

But that’s what bothered me so much about the megachurch I visited.  The worship was loud, the video announcements were a turn-off to me, and the whole production feel of the service was definately not my thing.   But really, the thing that stood out the most in my mind is that I don’t remember hearing the name of Jesus said more than once.  My spirit grieved.  I’m sure they have the name of Christ in their mission statement, but I didn’t hear it much on Sunday morning.

One thing I didn’t mention about this church we visited is that they are currently doing a series called, “Think-Be-Do.”  The premise is that before we can live the life we want to live, we must think it first.  This positive thinking then transforms our lives so that we become that person and then, consequently, the actions follow.  This is my understanding of the message based on my one visit.  While I  realize I have not heard the entire series, just based on what I heard, this sounds extremely humanistic.  Where is Jesus?  I may not agree with the way some churches do things, but I could overlook a lot if people were coming to Christ each week and it was obvious He was the center of life at the church.

My understanding of the mandate given by Jesus was not to just preach about godliness, postive thinking, and good, moral living.  He is the only way to the Father.  Not my good life.  Not my good thoughts.  Not my nice smile and friendly manner.  I am, of course, not advocating living immoral lives.  What I’m saying is that I have an uncle who lives a more godly life than some Christians I know, but he does not have a relationship with Jesus.  Is he saved?  I don’t think so, at least not yet.  Moral living apart from a relationship with Christ is just that.  Moral living. 

By definition, I go to what would be considered a megachurch.   We have approximately 2,000 in attendance on a typical Sunday.  But I’ve never thought of my church as a megachurch.  This experience has made me appreciate my pastor and church leadership in a new way.  I sing on the worship team and, consequently, have a somewhat different perspective of what happens on a Sunday morning.  We do have what’s called a production order that spells out what will happen in each service.  But I know that, at any time, our pastor, worship leader, and other church staffers would be willing to scrap it all if the Holy Spirit said otherwise.  And He has.  And they have submitted to His leading.  No matter what our pastor preaches about, it seems to always come down to the person of Jesus.  There is an opportunity at every service to commit your life to Christ and almost every Sunday, people come into the Kingdom of Light.  It makes me tear up just thinking of that.  People coming to know Christ every week.  While I know our church is not perfect and has it’s own set of flaws, I can appreciate that the leadership is humble and submitted to the leading of the Holy Spirit.  They are committed to keeping Christ center.  Because, contrary to the lyrics of a popular children’s song, Jesus is what it’s all about.

I truly don’t want to come off as being judgemental.  That’s not my heart, at all.  I’m just trying to sort through this experience myself.  This is a rather hot topic and I’m interested to know what people think.  Comments?  Thoughts? 


Comments

  1. truevyne says:

    On the “Think-Be-Do” series. My thoughts takes me all kinds of places I don’t want or need to go. In fact, I believe scripture tells us “to take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ.” To me, positive thinking is nothing more than futile wishing if God hasn’t been in the process.

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  2. milkinthecloset says:

    Wisely stated.

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  3. Very well said

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  4. Very nice wrap up of your series. I really enjoyed learning more about these churches. I also went over to your referenced blog by Shaun and read there some too. I think both he and you make some really excellent points about church.

    To me it is so simple. If we listen and do as God asks we need not be concerned. For some this will mean one church, to others another church and to some no church.

    What is the message? What are the works? It isn’t hard for most people to discern what is going on at this mega church during the service as you’ve described it. It seems you’ve come to the same conclusion I did, where is Jesus?

    So many times today we are supposed to be so “politically correct” which is GOOD when judgement and opinions are at hand. We can not flinch when called to discern….we MUST discern or we are paving the path (teaching) anarchy.

    Thanks for not flinching MilkInTheCloset!

    Debi

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  5. Abigail says:

    I have been throught hte same thing since I have recently (1 year) moved from my home church, which happened to be a mega church.
    I have now found a church here with my husband that teached the Bible, not a feel good, “here is what you should do to feel good about being a Christian” message. Every Sunday we drive by a church that remindes of the warnings in the Bible, leading people astray. The strange part is that I don’t think the Pastors or Leaders even know that they are doing harm. They want to make church comfortable and inviting. Good though, but are they teaching people the real Christ. We are sinners and we must repent. We can’t just feel good about watching cool videos and joining a church lunch group.

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  6. Abigail says:

    Clearly I can not spell. Sorry.

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  7. milkinthecloset says:

    “…comfortable and inviting…but are they teaching people the real Christ?”

    So well-stated, Abigail. I somehow don’t think Jesus would care about plush pews or cool backdrops. He is after our hearts, is He not?

    Good stuff. Thanks for the comment.

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 8 months ago
  8. milkinthecloset says:

    in response

    Debi,
    Interesting perspective. I sincerely hope you allow the Holy Spirit to guide you as you seek His will concerning the local church. There is great value in walking with other believers!

    I feel like I should clarify a few things. I hope I didn’t come across as being judgemental in my post about megachurches. After I wrote it, that was my fear. It’s like what Paul said in Philippians, if people are being reached with the gospel, then praise God. Who am I to say what God can and cannot use, you know? It’s difficult to not judge when we are so “turned off” by what we see, but only God knows the hearts of men and women.

    I pray that the church that spends one million to raise millions is using the millions for God’s kingdom. I l.o.v.e the church where I attend. Leadership is committed to paying cash for everything, not going into debt and regularly give 10% of all offerings to other churches and ministries in town. Don’t give up on church, altogether. There are some great ones out there. And who knows, God can use anyone, right?

    | Reply Posted 1 year, 7 months ago
  9. Pastor Carl McRae says:

    Your fair and balanced presentation of your observations is well received. Its clear that you are a discerning Christian willing to grow and know and articulate your impressions in a delicate and clear manner.

    Your article reminded me why I love God, the people to whom he has called me and my wife to minister, and the people of this community, the non-members, who desires to see both the community and their lives transformed. It reminded me why we left a thriving main line denominational church six years ago and along with a rag-tag remnant of water-walkers, gave birth, from the basement of our home, to a ministry that is truly externally focused.

    And while we are now over 200 in active membership our prayer is that we are able to distribute a minimum of 500,000 pounds of food (up from the 100,000 pounds distributed last year) to hungry families right here in Lithonia this year. We pray that scores more men and women lives are transformed by our Circle of Healing addictions ministry, that more young men and women and teenagers find a personal relationship with God that moves them beyond the perplexing problems they face daily. We pray that those who have become jaded and simply tired of church-as-usual, find a since of love and empowerment that sparks their return of the faith in which they once believed.

    As Pastors, it is our prayer that God continues to show us how to love his people (and those who don’t know him) and that God continues to remind us why he called us from ‘church’ and into ministry.
    Blessings and Peace

    | Reply Posted 8 months, 3 weeks ago


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